Christian Response to 'Out In The Silence' Sees Big Turnout
2 min readCOUDERSPORT – There were at least 80 people in attendance for last evening’s Christian Response to ‘Out In The Silence’ and related topics, an even match with the screening attendance.
The presentation was moderated by Robert Wagner with special guest Diane Gramley, President of the PA Chapter of the American Family Association. Wagner began the presentation by distributing literature that included Bible verses, quotes from ‘The City of God’ by Saint Augustine, promotional material from ‘Out in the Silence’, and press releases from the Obama Administration that support the Gay Agenda amongst other information.
Gramley distributed copies of the original letter that Wilson claimed called for a boycott of a local theater because the owners were lesbians. Gramley explained after reading the letter that it never called for a boycott, but simply raised questions as to the agenda of the venue, since it’s grand opening consisted of a performance by a transexual man who now calls himself a woman. Gramley also disputed some of the other information in the movie, and said most of it was edited to manipulate what really happened.
After a lengthy presentation by Wagner, which surely included some great material for Wilson’s next documentary, some in the audience expressed their opinions. The general consensus seemed to be acceptance of all people and God’s love for everyone, but that homosexuality was an abomination according to the Bible.
Wilson and Hamer videotaped most of the event, doing so discreetly at first, and later more openly after Wagner asked Dean Hamer if he was going to make him famous.
Hamer replied by saying, “If you say that about Lady Gaga again, I will”, in reference to a statement Wagner made calling the artist a ‘pig’ and stating that she was ‘not a lady’.
At the end of the screening both Hamer and Wilson badgered Diane Gramley for at least five minutes, attempting to get her to comment on a partial quote made by someone else, that could easily be misconstrued. After which I attempted to talk to Hamer and Wilson, with my camera rolling, but to no avail. They both ignored me and Wilson simply walked away, exhibiting the same type of behavior that he did after the screening of his film.
Since I learned my lesson the last time, I videotaped most of the event this time. I will have an updated report, with video, soon enough. Stay tuned.
Thank you for taping the event. Are any of the handouts available in pdf?
And yes, homosexuality is am abomination in the bible, but people constantly seem to pick and choose which parts of the bible to follow especially when it comes to the Old Testament (home of Leviticus)
This clip from the west wing does a pretty good job of highlighting some of those things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHaVUjjH3EI
Everyone knows that the only parts of the Bible that are meant to be interpreted literally are the parts that make you better than other people for reading it.
I propose a 3rd event at the library where we stone to death all the people who have worked on the sabbath becasue the old book says so:
Exodus 31:15
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
Do I hear an AMEN???
And here comes the Gay false arguments. Stop manipulating what the Bible really says. Here are some statistical facts.
Some statistics about the Homosexual lifestyle:
* One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners (3)
* One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime
* Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting (7)
* Many homosexuals don’t pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: “Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior” (16)
* Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. “Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence” (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels “subjective distress”) (27)
* Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population
* Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the “gay bowel syndrome” (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus (27)
* 73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization (13)
* 25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics (11)
* Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film “The Castro”, one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to “cruisy areas” and have anonymous sex
* 78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs (20)
* Judge John Martaugh, chief magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court has said, “Homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities” (10)
* Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, “30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals” (10)
* 50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals (10)
* Dr. Daniel Capron, a practicing psychiatrist, says, “Homosexuality by definition is not healthy and wholesome. The homosexual person, at best, will be unhappier and more unfulfilled than the sexually normal person” (10). For other psychiatrists who believe that homosexuality is wrong, please see National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality
* It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10)
* Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population
* Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne (8)
* 37% of homosexuals engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach homosexuals how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism (8)
* 41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs (8)
* Depending on the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries (8)
* The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75 (8)
* The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79 (8)
* Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident (8)
* 21% of lesbians die of murder, suicide or traffic accident, which is at a rate of 534 times higher than the number of white heterosexual females aged 25-44 who die of these things(8)
* 50% of the calls to a hotline to report “queer bashing” involved domestic violence (i.e., homosexuals beating up other homosexuals) (18)
* About 50% of the women on death row are lesbians (12).
Homosexuals prey on children.
* 33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7)
* There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association ( NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is “SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.” This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States
* Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19)
* 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9)
* Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: “The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality” (22)
* Because homosexuals can’t reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting “TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT” in their homosexual parades. A group called the “Lesbian Avengers” prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print “WE RECRUIT” on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren’t as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.
The homosexual agenda.
* The homosexual agenda includes desensitizing the public: “The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights…..To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preferences the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games….At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full ‘appreciation’ or ‘understanding’ of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing…then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won” (25)
* Part of the homosexual agenda is to get the public to affirm their filthy lifestyle, as one homosexual admitted in the October 1987 homosexual rally on Washington: “We are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a protection from wrong. We also have a right — as heterosexual Americans already have — to see government and society affirm our lives” (27)
* Part of the homosexual agenda is to turn people from Christianity: “The teaching that only male-female sexual activity within the bounds and constraints of marriage is the only acceptable form should be reason enough for any homosexual to denounce the Christian religion” (1)
* Homosexuals knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 10% figure (i.e., homosexuals make up 10% of the population). As Tom Stoddard (formerly of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund) said, “We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness” (17).
The true number of homosexuals.
* The Kinsey study of 1948, which homosexuals often cite to say that 10% of the population is homosexual, actually says that only 4% of the population is EXCLUSIVELY homosexual. This study involved a disproportionate number of people who had been in jail for sex crimes (hardly a random sample of the population). Kinsey also did perverse studies involving young boys and pedophiles. Information on Kinsey
* Current research shows that the true percentage of homosexuals is in the 1-2% range (15,23,26,28). Consider how small this number is when compared to most of the numbers above.
Homosexuals aren’t discriminated against in employment, so why should they be a protected class?
* The average yearly income of a homosexual is $55,430.00 (most of which is disposable because no children to take care of!). The average of the general population is $32,144.00. The average of blacks is $12,166.00 (24)
* 59.6% of homosexuals are college graduates. 18.0% of the general population are college graduates (24). Too bad they aren’t smart enough to listen to God. “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools” (Romans 1:22)
* 49.0% of homosexuals hold professional/managerial positions. 15.9% of the general population hold such positions (24). Where’s the job discrimination?
Sexual Orientation
• A phrase that has come up recently in this earth is “sexual orientation.” This is a phrase made up by homosexuals to try to make themselves look less filthy than they really are. The purpose of the phrase is to take the spotlight from what these perverts do, and put it on the notion that they are just poor, mistreated people, who simply are attracted to members of the same sex – as if they aren’t engaging in activity forbidden by God Almighty. “Sexual orientation,” as used today, has nothing to do with sexual activity (yeah, right), but only refers to who or what a particular person is attracted to. If you think that people of other “sexual orientations” are just fine, let’s see what other “sexual orientations” you would necessarily have to accept as wholesome and pure. If you’re not going to discriminate based on “sexual orientation”, then you must not discriminate against any of the following. Bestiality, pedophile, necrophilia., exhibitionism, fetishism, frotteurism, masochism, sadism, transvestitism, voyeurism. If you discriminate against any of these, you’re a hypocrite. These “sexual orientations” are generally known as “paraphilias”, and are mental disorders – just like homosexuality used to be (29).
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REFERENCES
(1) Advocate, 1985
(2) Bayer, R. Homosexuality and American Psychiatry
(3) Bell, A. and Weinberg, M. Homosexualities: a Study of Diversity Among Men and Women. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978
(4) Cameron et. al. ISIS National Random Sexuality Survey. Nebraska Med. Journal, 1985, 70, pp. 292-299
(5) “Changes in Sexual Behavior and Incidence of Gonorrhea.” Lancet, April 25, 1987
(6) Corey, L. and Holmes, K. “Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men.” New England J. Med., 1980, pp. 435-38
(7) Family Research Institute, Lincoln, NE
(8) Fields, Dr. E. “Is Homosexual Activity Normal?” Marietta, GA
(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275
(10) Kaifetz, J. “Homosexual Rights Are Concern for Some,” Post-Tribune, 18 December 1992
(11) Kus, R. “Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay America.” Medical Journal of Homosexuality, 1987, 14(2), p. 254
(12) Lesbian News, January 1994
(13) Lief, H. Sexual Survey Number 4: Current Thinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 1977, pp. 110-11
(14) Manlight, G. et. al. “Chronic Immune Stimulation By Sperm Alloantigens.” J. American Med. Assn., 1984, 251(2), pp. 237-438
(15) Morton-Hunt Study for Playboy (16) MsKusick, L. et. al. “AIDS and Sexual Behavior Reported By Gay Men in San Francisco.” Am. J. Pub. Health, 1985, 75, pp. 493-96
(17) Newsweek, February 1993
(18) Newsweek, 4 October 1993
(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37
(20) Rueda, E. “The Homosexual Network.” Old Greenwich, Conn., The Devin Adair Company, 1982, p. 53
(21) San Francisco AIDS Foundation, “Can We Talk.” (22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992
(23) Science Magazine, 18 July 1993, p. 322
(24) Statistical Abstract of the U.S., 1990
(25) “The Overhauling of Straight America.” Guide Magazine. November, 1987
(26) United States Census Bureau (27) United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989
(28) University of Chicago’s Nation Research Corp
(29) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth Edition, American Psychiatric Association, 1994.
Statistics show that homosexuality is a far greater detriment to health than any illegal drugs. Yet, you want to make laws to promote homosexuality. You want people to think it is normal but it is not.
http://www.ncfamily.org/FNC/0707S3.html
http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_Statistics
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48542
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html
“Is Stealing a Sin for New Testament Believers?” or, “Is Bearing False Witness a Sin?” or, “Is Murder a Sin?” So why “homosexuality? Because more and more, the media, entertainment, the government, the Church, the general population of America and much of the world, no longer believes it is a sin to be discriminated against, whereas even the basest of nations have laws against stealing, false witness, and murder.
So, my purpose here is not to judge, but to specifically establish whether homosexuality is a sin or not a sin for Believers in Christ under the New Covenant.
If it is not a sin, and these practices are normal and virtuous, then we should not be speaking or discriminating against them. But if it is a sin, then we should certainly speak out against it just as we should against adultery, idolatry, lying, stealing, etc. Let’s try and look at the Scriptural facts with unbiased, open minds. If we are interested in obedience to Jesus Christ then we should be eager to know the truth one way or the other.
Most homosexuals do not argue with Lev. 20:13:
“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
They concede that this verse is speaking of homosexuality-sex between members of the same gender. Their argument is that it no longer applies to them as Believers in Christ under the New Covenant, stating that they are no longer under the law of Moses.
Over the years I have received some bizarre reasons from the gay community regarding why they don’t think homosexuality is a sin. Here is an example I received this week from a self-professed lesbian:
“Also, don’t you find it interesting that when Jesus walked the earth, he never once brought up the subject? If it was such a sin, it would be one of the Ten Commandments, don’t you think?”
No, I don’t think so at all. Lev. 20:13 does not need to be one of the Ten Commandments before it has any jurisdiction over Christian Believers.
Jesus did not address child-molestation either; neither is it one of the Ten Commandments. Neither did Jesus address drug abuse, nor pornography, smoking, spousal abuse, or torture. Does this fact therefore condone such sins and atrocities? Are we to assume therefore that none of these are wrong or sinful? I hope we are not foolish enough to believe that if something is not mentioned in the Bible, then it shouldn’t be considered a sin.
Listen: One of the Ten Commandments was against “stealing.” But stealing did not carry the death sentence. Yet witchcraft (not one of the Ten Commandments) did carry the death sentence (Lev. 20:27). Having sexual intercourse with an animal carried the death sentence for both men and women (Lev. 20:15-16).
Who among us would deign to suggest to their children that having sex with farm yard animals is now okay since it is not condemned in the New Testament by Jesus, neither is one of the Ten Commandments? When all else fails, try a little common sense and basic morality.
http://bible-truths.com/homosex.htm
God’s judgment on homosexuality was written in the Bible. Why does that still apply to this day? See the CDC statistics for more info. No matter who likes what God said or doesn’t like, truth cannot be denied. Men having sex with men is the main culprit for rising statistics. Logic and common sense should demand that this lifestyle is not one that should be presented to youth as a healthy alternate lifestyle nor equal to opposite gender unions unless people are more interested in population control. Are we going to stop shielding children from hazardous behavior to satisfy demands from wayward adults? If so, it screams of hypocrisy from everybody involved. Consider who will bear the burden of your decision.
Candice-
Do you have any sources from the last fifteen years? According to my pastor, the scientific evidence today overwhelmingly supports the idea that people do not choose their sexual orientation. That was not the case just ten or fifteen years ago.
As for homosexuality and Christianity, the Bible is a complex document. Therefore, while some emphasize Old Testament verses, others stress Jesus’ teachings and how he ministered to people who were on the margins of society—non-Jews, prostitutes, lepers. It is a matter of theology, and while I subscribe to the latter view, I believe that good Christians can disagree.
If homosexuals aren’t happy, then why do they call them gay?
I sincerely wish that those who continually cite Biblical passages actually would truly read their Bibles. I going through the soul-searching about my orientation, I read through the Bible many, many times. The result of my soul-searching was that God loves me as he created me and that being gay is how I was created.
If you read Leviticus in its “entirety” you will see that many of the prohibitions and mores it describes are now currently acceptable modes of behavior. Leviticus is a holiness code written 3,000 years ago. It includes prohibitions against round haircuts, tattoos, working on the Sabbath, wearing garments of mixed fabrics, eating pork or shellfish, getting your fortune told, and even playing with the skin of a pig (hmmm football).
Additionally, If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
If a married person has sex with someone else’s husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman’s period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy’s genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.
It is also an abomination to masturbate and to stop in the middle of sex as a form of birth control.
I would like to direct everyone to http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian This is a superb site where you can find the above and many more truths about what the Bible really says about homosexuality.
To “Aug. 27, 2:51 pm”: In other words, you give modern scientific studies done by fallible human beings more credibility than the eternal Word of the Creator of the universe?
If we have the Bible, we don’t need “sources from the last 15 years” to help us determine whether something is a sin or not (which was the purpose of Candice’s post). (Besides, why believe that the newest research, simply by virtue of being new, is the most accurate?) This is the baseline of almost any argument between Christians & non-Christians: one takes the Bible as their ultimate authority, the other takes human reasoning as their ultimate authority.
If you fall into the latter category, you may refer to the third comment, which has many practical, non-spiritual reasons to believe homosexuality is a bad idea.
It’s been my experience that sometimes people point out the complexities of the Bible in order to avoid accepting a simple truth contained therein. Yes, Jesus ministered to those on the margins of society, and Christians are called to act similarly & love those around us. No, love doesn’t mean acting like everything a person does is acceptable. Jesus also preached repentance (Matthew 4:17).
Actually there is little evidence showing that homosexuality is not a disease. Most of this so called evidence is by gay scientists who use wild stretches to say its genetic. People such as Dean Hamer. There is far more evidence showing that such behavior is linked to childhood abuse. Like boys that are molested are 7 times more likely to become homosexuals.
Candice-
Your “statistics” appear to come from a defunct group The Internatinal Organization for Heterosexual Rights. Their credibility is called into question on various websites. For example, there appears to be no such thing as The Medical Journal of Homosexuality, and the article in endnote 10 was authored by a right-wing religuous activist, rather than an “objective” journalist.
Don’t believe all the forwarded emails you receive. Just because it’s on the internet–even this forum–does not make it true.
TruthFrees;
Have you ever gone to a barber or stylist, or ate hot dogs at a picnic?
Have you posted your video yet? I searched Youtube but all I found was this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98WRbjgSJx4